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[omorka]

Okay, the next person who says "The Trek that is without the Shat is not the true Trek" or the equivalent is getting the back of my hand, with rings. This crap needs to stop. Some fangirls in our own day came for Wesley, Riker, and Data, and stayed for the warp core and bad time travel. Some of the new fangirls squeeing over Pine and Quinto will do the same.

I will consider "The Trek that is without the Great Bird is not the true Trek" a reasonable statement of opinion that I happen to fundamentally disagree with. But stop hating on the new fangirls anyway, guys. If it gets them to watch TOS or TNG (or any of the others), then it's still serving a good purpose, and I think y'all more or less lost the battle if not the war with DS9.

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[moontyger.livejournal.com]

What's surprised me has been the amount of TNG and DS9 hate I've seen around ever since the movie. I had no idea; I was used to people thinking they were the better Trek series, not the worst.

[quantumduck.livejournal.com]

Hmm. I have noticed much of the web lighting up about how freakin' great the new movie is. I think anyone who liked the new film will be poorly served by the rest of the Trek franchise.

My feeling is that the new movie was pretty much a train wreck which undermined everything the series creator intended. The new film plays up racist stereotypes, pointless macho conflict resolution with fisticuffs, and the gleeful destruction of entire cultures. There was no exploration, no philosophy, and no science. Shat ain't what makes true Trek, but Roddenberry is. (I'll let DS9 in on a free pass 'cause it was so damn good.)

[scarfman]

What the new film does have of Roddenberry's vision is Hornblower In Space, in spades and done well. As for the rest, not every original series episode had every quality you list, or any. And the screenwriters were given the greenlight for the script for the next film weeks before this one premiered, but put off starting till they found out the reaction to this film. And you can't graph a curve from one datapoint.

I think anyone who liked the new film will be poorly served by the rest of the Trek franchise.

You may be right, in many cases; the internet has made fandom susceptible to dilettantism and a legion of 'shippers who gravitate to the newest, shiniest properties with the prettiest leads, till the next one comes along. I, on the other hand, like the new film just fine because in 1971 I believed I'd missed the glory years.

[ghostdogmeta.livejournal.com]

O_o

One movie engages in the same things several episodes of TOS and TNG did, but the movie is bad?

And what 'gleeful destruction of other cultures' besides Nero's genocidal campaign against Vulcans?

[ghostdogmeta.livejournal.com]

All Treks have good bits. All Treks have shitty bits.

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[scarfman]

I'd say rather that the Trek that is without a ship* is not a true Trek. DS9 never felt like Star Trek to me till Sisko got a ship to command. Then he gave it to Worf.

* Not an abbreviation of anything.