6 Things I Hate About Love Hina . . .
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memeslayer and I have been 'round the horn a couple of times about several anime shows that he likes and that I can't stand. Love Hina is the prototypical example. Oh, I can list reams and reams of things in that particular show that I'm offended by - the stereotypical views of men and women, the casual violence, the implicit racism of the Kaolla Su character, etc., etc., etc. And I can do the same for a large number of other shows I can't stand. However, while discussing with the Spouse why I wasn't thrilled with the episode of an old (late 1980s) anime that wileras brought over tonight, I finally found a connecting thread for a large number (not all, but many) anime I can't stand.
If the main character is all of:
male
clumsy (either socially or physically, but usually both)
clueless
stupid (and I'm fairly harsh about what I consider stupid)
And the show is both:
shonen
either a romance or action with a strong romantic subplot
Then it has to have seriously badass plot, world, and character development or I'm simply not interested.
Unfortunately, this seems to link in with what Memeslayer was saying while he was here about the "audience identification character." Said AIC appears to have to be at least three of male, clumsy, clueless, and stupid.
Interestingly, if the main character is clumsy, clueless, and stupid, but female, it doesn't bother me - see also Fruits Basket and Maho Tsukai Tai!. Also, male, clumsy, and clueless are not sufficient to ruin a show for me if the character shows some intelligence; see RahXephon (although he's only socially clumsy, not so much physically). Even being a harem anime is not enough by itself - but the hero character for almost all harem shows meets the above definition.
Why? Not sure, although it has something to do with whether I can manage to root for a character (not identify with them - that doesn't happen very often - but care what the hell happens to them in the course of the show). Having characters I care about is a big issue for me for any show, anime or not. (I can't watch Azumanga Daioh because there's no plot at all, the world's not interesting, and I don't care about any of the characters, despite it not fitting the above formula.) The prototypical AIC is a character I want to flunk out of my class, not root for; in fact, on some level, I want to warn the female objects of the AIC's attention that he's likely to turn abusive later in the relationship. (That female character tend to slap the AIC a lot doesn't help - for me, it means the relationship is already violent and therefore something for both participants to run from, not something for the show to celebrate.)
So, thus my preference for shojo if the show's a romance. Note that if there's not a strong romantic plot or subplot, the above doesn't matter that much; I can watch and enjoy shonen action or drama without the above getting in the way, although having non-stupid, non-clueless characters helps.
The other thing that makes me hate a show is random visual crap. Between that and the above, my very low opinion of FLCL should surprise no one . . .
memeslayer and I have been 'round the horn a couple of times about several anime shows that he likes and that I can't stand. Love Hina is the prototypical example. Oh, I can list reams and reams of things in that particular show that I'm offended by - the stereotypical views of men and women, the casual violence, the implicit racism of the Kaolla Su character, etc., etc., etc. And I can do the same for a large number of other shows I can't stand. However, while discussing with the Spouse why I wasn't thrilled with the episode of an old (late 1980s) anime that wileras brought over tonight, I finally found a connecting thread for a large number (not all, but many) anime I can't stand.If the main character is all of:
And the show is both:
Then it has to have seriously badass plot, world, and character development or I'm simply not interested.
Unfortunately, this seems to link in with what Memeslayer was saying while he was here about the "audience identification character." Said AIC appears to have to be at least three of male, clumsy, clueless, and stupid.
Interestingly, if the main character is clumsy, clueless, and stupid, but female, it doesn't bother me - see also Fruits Basket and Maho Tsukai Tai!. Also, male, clumsy, and clueless are not sufficient to ruin a show for me if the character shows some intelligence; see RahXephon (although he's only socially clumsy, not so much physically). Even being a harem anime is not enough by itself - but the hero character for almost all harem shows meets the above definition.
Why? Not sure, although it has something to do with whether I can manage to root for a character (not identify with them - that doesn't happen very often - but care what the hell happens to them in the course of the show). Having characters I care about is a big issue for me for any show, anime or not. (I can't watch Azumanga Daioh because there's no plot at all, the world's not interesting, and I don't care about any of the characters, despite it not fitting the above formula.) The prototypical AIC is a character I want to flunk out of my class, not root for; in fact, on some level, I want to warn the female objects of the AIC's attention that he's likely to turn abusive later in the relationship. (That female character tend to slap the AIC a lot doesn't help - for me, it means the relationship is already violent and therefore something for both participants to run from, not something for the show to celebrate.)
So, thus my preference for shojo if the show's a romance. Note that if there's not a strong romantic plot or subplot, the above doesn't matter that much; I can watch and enjoy shonen action or drama without the above getting in the way, although having non-stupid, non-clueless characters helps.
The other thing that makes me hate a show is random visual crap. Between that and the above, my very low opinion of FLCL should surprise no one . . .
